tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1895705913579862245.post6569601633583636988..comments2022-04-10T20:36:55.108-07:00Comments on Pastor Shin Chan's blog: L. Ray smith denies that Jesus is the Christ and other damnable teachingsJosh Taylorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18352307909424599518noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1895705913579862245.post-78284779759578157952013-10-25T11:54:36.152-07:002013-10-25T11:54:36.152-07:00Hello,
Just wanted to pop in and reiterate what M...Hello,<br /><br />Just wanted to pop in and reiterate what MetaJames and Brett S. have said. I had to re-read this quote "For MANY shall come in my name, saying [that], I [Jesus] am Christ, and shall deceive MANY" (Matt. 24:5) a few times but it did become clear to me. What Ray is trying to say is many Christians read that scripture as saying that "many will claim to BE Christ and will deceive many". But when you insert "that" and "Jesus" it makes perhaps the correct meaning of the scripture easier to see (at least as Ray explains it-and Ray's quote is what we're talking about here). Ray is saying "many will come in HIS NAME (not acting like they ARE him) saying that (Yes, indeed!) Jesus is the Christ, but they will still be able to deceive many. <br /><br />The deception is not about whether Jesus is the Christ, but what happens in their dealings with people after they convince them that they come in Christ's name- even declaring (that) he (Jesus) is the Christ. You can see it clearly but it takes some contemplating. It's like misunderstanding what someone is saying because we can "see" or read it different ways but there is only one intention. <br /><br />What we are encouraging you to do is instead of just quickly responding with the same reaction repeatedly, stop and think and pray about it and try to see what is actually being said. It took a moment for me to see it, we just have to be willing to look beyond our preconceived ideas of what we right now, at this moment, *think* someone is saying. <br /><br />He inserted "that" and "Jesus" so we will see that we've been looking at the situation wrong. Ray believes Jesus is the Christ and it certainly is possible to understand that but one must understand correctly. It may not be comfortable to try and no one can do it for you, but I hope I have explained things clearly enough to make it simpler.<br /><br />I always thought this verse said there would be people coming in Christ's name declaring that they themselves are the Christ and as I read it, it does look like that. But I think what Ray was saying is that perhaps Jesus was saying these deceivers would come in Christ's name, (not saying of themselves "I am the Christ") but saying that Jesus IS Christ (just like Jesus said he was), but even after admitting those truths will they go on to tell lies and trick or deceive people. I would think you would be able to deceive more people wanting to be Christians and saved if you claimed to be OF the true God instead of being him yourself, but that's just my observation. <br /><br />I also used to think (like Ray basically mentioned) Why would "many" people follow other "many" people who are all claiming to be THE Christ of which we know there is only one? HOWEVER, as Ray says, if we look at our situation now with so many ministers in "Christendom" or mainstream Christianity teaching unscriptural doctrines (but still claiming to be of Christ and that Jesus is Christ) and therefore deceiving many, perhaps it's happening right under our noses. Something to ponder and pray about... and each do our own diligent searching for truth.<br /><br />With respect and in Christ's love,<br /><br />JennJennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09147991026677199102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1895705913579862245.post-68921630545952944152013-01-14T16:36:49.288-08:002013-01-14T16:36:49.288-08:00Wrong. L. Ray smith added the words "that&quo...Wrong. L. Ray smith added the words "that" and "Jesus" to Matthew 24:5 denying that Jesus is the Messiah and calling Jesus and his disciples a liar. If L. Ray smith's version of Matt 24:5 is true, His disciple would eventually stone Him to death, then again the Pharisees would have killed His disciples before the gospel was preached.<br /><br />And further Universal Salvation is not the Father's true Word. If you believe in universal salvation, then God is not your Father. Your father is the devil (John 8:44).<br /><br />Altering the warning of Matthew 24:5 makes Jesus a liar. L. Ray's smith's version Matthew 24:5 is a false warning.Josh Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18352307909424599518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1895705913579862245.post-11378000913627723572012-10-09T20:30:10.132-07:002012-10-09T20:30:10.132-07:00I removed my last comment, because I realized that...I removed my last comment, because I realized that I had cast a pearl. MetaJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08578698143744179225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1895705913579862245.post-87060020717617252342012-10-09T15:25:02.414-07:002012-10-09T15:25:02.414-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.MetaJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08578698143744179225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1895705913579862245.post-2426740967953158482012-10-09T11:00:42.150-07:002012-10-09T11:00:42.150-07:00Sorry, both of you are wrong. By adding the words ...Sorry, both of you are wrong. By adding the words "That" and "Jesus" would imply that Jesus is NOT the Christ, thus Peter would be deceiving himself, Jesus would be deceiving Himself by His own words "I am He", John who wrote the Revelation would not only be deceiving Himself but also to the Seven Churches of Asia.<br /><br />I think it's is you that need to open your eyes. How long will be L. Ray Smith be chastised in Hades and after be brutally beaten by God for each finite portion of his sins? He forsaken the assembly, he telling everyone to "Come Out" of the church implying that Satan rules in the Church and the Churches within, and that Jesus divorced the Church.<br /><br />Would a loving god brutally beat up His own creation on Earth for each finite portion of his/her own sins by natural catastrophes? <br /><br />Hell is not the grave but a realm beyond the grave. The Lake of Fire Jesus calls "Unquenchable" and doesn't burn out. If "Aion" applies to the Lake of Fire, it burns out, thus making Jesus a liar.<br /><br />One more thing, read my article on the error of the word "fear" confusing the fear of God, the fear of evil, and the fear.<br /><br />The road is too narrow for God to shove or DRAG people to salvation. But you Universalists imply that that "Wide is the road to salvation".<br /><br />I will delete your comments.<br /><br />May God have pity on you,<br /><br />Preacher TaylorJosh Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18352307909424599518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1895705913579862245.post-33130500680827239532012-10-08T21:35:51.560-07:002012-10-08T21:35:51.560-07:00Metamatic,
Thank you for correcting Josh here, he...Metamatic,<br /><br />Thank you for correcting Josh here, he obviously doesn't understand the point Ray (and you have made regarding false prophets and how succesful they are really are in today's church...of course they will come claiming 'Jesus being the Christ' and STILL be FALSE prophets...it's not that this point that Jesus is the Christ is false (of course it isn't!) but what sort of deception could a false prophet hope to accomplish IF he was claiming otherwise?<br /><br />Who would believe that? Not very many seeking after Christ, that's for sure.<br /><br />God open your eyes Josh. You need to read more and make a point to UNDERSTAND the contrary views to your religious doctrinal positions before trying to attack/refute it, or you may just be held accountable for your reckless and aimless libel someday when it's shown you renounced humility and could have learned something profound.<br /><br />God be with you,<br />- Brett- Brett S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12588545364344104804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1895705913579862245.post-31415701100021049642012-10-08T14:34:27.241-07:002012-10-08T14:34:27.241-07:00You still misunderstand. Of course Jesus is the on...You still misunderstand. Of course Jesus is the one&only Christ, But what Ray and I are saying is that Jesus left us all this warning: There would be those who come claiming this very TRUTH (i.e., Jesus is the CHRIST), but they would be false prophets spreading lies hiding behind the truth of Jesus actually being the Christ. That is the WARNING God left us, That is the TRUTH Ray taught and that is the FACT I am correcting you with. Godspeed Josh.MetaJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08578698143744179225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1895705913579862245.post-79674850708700988162012-10-08T13:33:15.405-07:002012-10-08T13:33:15.405-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.MetaJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08578698143744179225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1895705913579862245.post-49615424500094062012-10-07T13:10:11.320-07:002012-10-07T13:10:11.320-07:00What I think you are doing is actually the same as...What I think you are doing is actually the same as the Late L. Ray Smith. You are denying that Jesus is the Christ. Adding the words "That" and "Jesus" to Matthew 24:5 grossly contradicts the Old Testament prophecies of the Messiah. This is the Spirit of Antichrist. <br /><br />If you believe that L. Ray Smith's version of Matt 24:5 is true, then you're implying that Peter is deceiving himself, Jesus deceived His disciples with His words "I am He", thus you're calling Jesus a liar, most of all The Apostle John who wrote the Book of Revelation deceived the Seven Churches of Asia. <br /><br />Most of all, Jesus didn't say that He's not The Christ, but was referring to those who claim to be of Him or being a false messiah. <br /><br />There are so many false messiahs around the world today and there will be the main one coming soon, a majority that infamously claim that the false messiah would be from the Western EU. But a minority including myself believe the false messiah would be from the Arab World. Islam is spreading rapidly, we are speeding toward a New Islamic World Order.<br /><br />But back to Matt 24:5 Jesus said that we all claim to be Christian or of Him just by anything, including on believing in Universalism, partake in a sacrament such as Communion and Baptism (including infant baptism) as most of the Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant churches practice, believing in the infamous Once Saved, Always Saved, etc. <br /><br />The only thing we need to do repent, confess that Jesus is the Christ, and Confessing our sins (1 John 1:9)<br /><br />One more thing, there is one verse that proves that God's grace is resistible and God doesn't allow mankind to continue on sinning just to be saved<br /><br />Romans 6:1 "What then shall we continue to sin that grace be abound? God forbid...<br /><br />Peace be with you.Josh Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18352307909424599518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1895705913579862245.post-49146748268244296202012-10-05T19:32:07.203-07:002012-10-05T19:32:07.203-07:00Ray is saying that false prophets will come claimi...Ray is saying that false prophets will come claiming the TRUTH of ||Jesus|| being ||The Christ||, and therefore just because they have that knowledge doesn't exclude them from being false prophets! You have completely either misrepresented Ray here, or you are a bald face liar, unbelievable!MetaJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08578698143744179225noreply@blogger.com